Social Practice | The Role of Social Art according to Bishop and Mouffe

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Chantal Mouffe

Social Practice | The Role of Social Art according to Bishop and Mouffe.

Sue Bell Yank, a graduate of Portland’s Social Practice program demonstrating her education. Harrell Fletcher is the leader of the program.

the article is concise and well put, and the blog is a good resource. so check it out. what i wonder is are we in a position whether the existence of such ‘social practice’ art education is actually a productive step? isnt this kind of specialism dangerous in that its reflection of capitalist norms eclipses the aspects of art that are most valuable: namely indeterminacy, the un-namable, the disjunctured approach to articulation.

graduates from this program are seemingly social worker-artist-anthropology hybrids, which there may be nothing wrong with, but does this mean that they are making art, or (like craftsmen) making more cultural material for artists to deal with later on?

Van Abbemuseum: your-space

Van Abbemuseum: your-space.

i just wrote a load of stuff related to this project, but its down the shoot with a glitch, so just take a look at the link instead…

New PAP Map…

Boris Groys – On the New

Boris Groys – On the New.

This essay establishes his arguments on the environment of artmaking post postmodernism; that there is an alleviation of the pressure to make anything new is now so well understood – as a given- that it makes us all (not only sound stupidly happy) but satisfied…

click image to read article.

Facebook discussion with Nato Thompson about ‘The Advice of Strangers’

  • I decided to comment on the work to try to find out more about it. i received responses (as chief curator, presumably he was involved with this work’s production?) from Nato Thompson, and a student present at one of the recordings, an MFA crit. Discussion is below, you can see the POLL here (it is now closed, but he ends up taking people from a local fast food place to his  MFA art crit:
    “Poll #11
    Voting ended. I’ve done it!
    What should I present in my USC MFA crit class tomorrow?
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    Make a sculpture of myself and set it on fire
    14%
    o
    Present The Advice of Strangers as my art project
    23%
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    Celebrate the freeway with audio piece and beer
    5%
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    Go to Carl’s Jr., pick strangers, bring them to crit, discuss art
    41%
    *
    Hire a heavy metal shredder and have him jam for 30 minutes
    14%

    http://theadviceofstrangers.com/closed#blog20
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    DISCUSSION:
    • Andrew Mount isnt that only because reality tv hasn’t internalized that environment (yet)? i’m skeptical about the possibilities of this project, especially when he is bracketing the possible outcomes – there should be a space for random suggestion, just as there would in conversation, which i presume is the guiding precedent for this work? the one thing i do like is that i cant work out if its a parody aimed at embodying contemporary (digital) voyeurism…

      November 5 at 11:31am ·
    • Ryan Garrett I could add that the crit went on

      November 5 at 12:00pm ·
    • Ryan Garrett For another hour without the cameras

      November 5 at 12:01pm ·
    • Nato Thompson

      I like it bracketed. I mean, why would anyone give over their entire life? It is meant to be bracketed. As in, he wants advice, not commands. And as for parody, I don’t think it is that. It is simply confusing. I mean, he isn’t doing a hype…r-critique of the digital age or voyeurism. He is just surfing it. I suspect that for those that like theory-driven work, this might not be their cup of tea. But surely one can take a break from that every now and then. Certainly the material itself merits a complex discussion that I suspect is more nuanced than you might originally anticipate. How did the conversation go after the cameras turned off? Were you there Ryan?See More
      November 5 at 12:16pm ·
    • Ryan Garrett And this should not be considered as representative of Grad School any more than reality TV should be considered as representative of Reality.

      November 5 at 12:19pm ·
    • Nato Thompson Why?

      November 5 at 12:30pm ·
    • Ryan Garrett

      I couldn’t begin to hope to characterize the entirety of the off camera discussion. But one important concern was the problem of allowing this project to be taken as a genuine social experiment that somehow represents the desires or motiva…tions of the other, or the stranger, a conceit which I think the project would do better to avoid. A problem with calling it representative of the reality of grad school is that people perform for a camera which is constructing a narrative of their interactions, which can’t help but be reductive, in a different way than they perform for one another, while attempting to take seriously the pedagogical experiment of a group critique. Maybe they’re both performances, but they’re qualitatively different. A good question might be what is the motivation to collapse that distinction. I don’t think it’s a question of theory versus a more quotidian understanding of reality. Reality TV is packed with theory and ideology of course, it’s just ultimately reactionary and cynical in it’s assumptions about society. See More
      November 5 at 1:03pm ·
    • Andrew Mount

      i agree with you about the idea of him surfing through this, and thats fine, but i suppose it is just my own preferences appearing when i say i am hoping to see an open area for suggestions and randomness, i just feel that would add a dimen…sion to the work that would be quite unpredictable in its potential, and thats something i really value about participation, its usually messier than discreet work, and without that angle this work is a bit slick. he’s going in that direction by asking some open ended questions but again, the possibilities of response are prescribed. ok i’m restating and thats duller than dishwater…See More
      November 5 at 2:21pm ·
    • Nato Thompson

      I think he is opening up the process as it evolves. He is having folks comment more so they can make suggestions which is a start. For me, what is interesting is that the project is following a form that is very like reality television, exc…ept some major differences such as no corporate sponsor, and very little scripting. It is really just Marc out there living his life. He is funny and somewhat not into theory, which I think can rub many art people wrong as they tend to like dower theory stuff, but I am finding it extremely amusing and still raising interesting questions.

      As to Ryan’s point. Certainly people do perform for a camera, but you must admit, grad crits do feel pretty much like what you see in that video. It isn’t that far off. Which isn’t good or bad really, but I found the viewing of it revealing. As for whether this project should be taken “as a genuine social experiment that somehow represents the desires or motiva…tions of the other”, I think that no-one ever claimed such ambitions. I mean how is one to achieve that exactly? You suggest that this project should avoid that, and I entirely agree. It is more a combination of voyeurism, advice, comedy, bracketed participation, Los Angeles and a MFA student.

      So far I find a lot of the moments enjoyable because not only is he absurd but so is life in general. It is project that finds its own way. From voting on election day, to grad crits, to love advice, to reflexivity on the project itself. It evolves and all of that could be boring, but so far I find it enjoyable and interesting. Certainly some arty folks will say that it is more entertainment than critical, but by entertainment do they mean enjoyable? Is the real boundary of what constitutes critical art a sort of resistance to pleasure? I am sure the answer is yes, which constitutes all kinds of other limits as well.See More

      Saturday at 11:28am ·
    • Ryan Garrett

      But doesn’t it sort of reinforce the art/entertainment dichotomy that is ostensibly trying to be broken down by saying that “arty” or “theory” concerns are anti pleasure. I don’t think that at all. Pleasure/entertainment can be a site for …immense criticality, and has been for a very long time. I think of Andy Kaufman, Sam Beckett, the young Steve Martin, to name a few that come to mind immediately. These examples always take deadly seriously their disciplines while being critically self aware and offering throughlines between different modes of address in culture and being completely entertaining. Not to say that Marc’s project isn’t or cant do this. It’s probably too soon to tell. Was it Mao who said that when asked about the effectiveness of the french Revolution?

      Ryan GarrettSee More

      Saturday at 4:32pm via Email Reply ·
  • Facebook Discussion of Marc Horowitz’s piece ‘Advice of Strangers’.

    This discussion, unlike the former one does not really involve critical consideration of the work, but rather an interesting annexing of the work itself, using the same devices the work employs: social media being the prime technical device. This discussion involves  the artist, Nato Thompson, Chief Curator of Creative Time, who produced this work, and members of the public (who are, in this context- nominally at least) called ‘friends’.

    the artist describes the work at this site:

    For the month of November, Marc Horowitz will put his daily decisions in the hands of strangers as he surrenders his life choices online for the public to vote on at www.theadviceofstrangers.com.

    Each day, Horowitz will post the dilemmas he’s facing—from the seemingly mundane to the profound—for the public to vote on. The project, presented by Creative Time , tracks the results and follow the action and repercussions through edited video coverage. The Advice of Strangers constitutes a collaboration between artist and audience, comprised of anyone who visits the website and casts a vote, thus influencing the course of the project and Marc’s life at the same time.”

    Facebook Discussion:

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    Stanya Kahn the play the play!

    19 hours ago
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    Stanya Kahn the play the play!
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    Marc Horowitz I know. I’d love to do that, but I shouldn’t sway the vote.
    18 hours ago
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    Nato Thompson Sway the vote!!! Can’t you lobby?
    18 hours ago
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    Stanya Kahn can he? that’s the big gray area question with this experiment right? what’s the illusion of “no power”? what’s the real lack of control? who’s got how much agency? i think he should make a play about the project with at least 7 strangers all playing Marc Horowitz and writing their own parts. diversify the protagonist and see if there’s a democratic moment or model to be revealed…
    18 hours ago
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    Stanya Kahn if you want to sway the vote sway the vote. i mean, if the project is about being “real”. then isn’t that part of it?
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    Stanya Kahn i like the project because it raises so many questions.
    17 hours ago
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    Nato Thompson I agree. I mean that is the fun right? Yes, Marc allows people to vote, but then he has to lobby for them to vote on what he likes. And right, yes, there are many Marc’s in the project. Man, I want the play!
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    Marc Horowitz YES!!!!
    17 hours ago
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    Stanya Kahn
    just watched the crit footage. i agree with hainely’s line of questioning: who cares about majority rule. we know the voting system in this country is a sham, we know that “majority” opinion is constructed by mass communication systems (TV,… radio, the churchm hence the reference to fascism). so what kinds of wrenches could you throw into your project to address the issues of agency and power that are inherent in voting and majority rule situations? these were my questions from the outset, but now that you’re doing it, i wonder if there’s a way to address it? although very few commenters on the site seemed concerned with much more than entertainment. maybe you should take the reigns in some way?
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    Karen Adelman i’m glad you reposted the link to this: i musta been getting off a plane when this discussion started. i am in full, vigorous agreement; i also was interested in this issue from the beginning….. like how people engaging with this project could begin to change their understanding of the way decisions are actually being made and what the consequences of those decisions might be..
    11 hours ago”
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    Stanya Kahn the play the play!19 hours ago#Marc Horowitz I know. I’d love to do that, but I shouldn’t sway the vote.18 hours ago#Nato Thompson Sway the vote!!! Can’t you lobby?18 hours ago#Stanya Kahn can he? that’s the big gray area question with this experiment right? what’s the illusion of “no power”? what’s the real lack of control? who’s got how much agency? i think he should make a play about the project with at least 7 strangers all playing Marc Horowitz and writing their own parts. diversify the protagonist and see if there’s a democratic moment or model to be revealed…18 hours ago#Stanya Kahn if you want to sway the vote sway the vote. i mean, if the project is about being “real”. then isn’t that part of it?18 hours ago#Stanya Kahn i like the project because it raises so many questions.17 hours ago#Nato Thompson I agree. I mean that is the fun right? Yes, Marc allows people to vote, but then he has to lobby for them to vote on what he likes. And right, yes, there are many Marc’s in the project. Man, I want the play!17 hours ago · 1 personLoading…#Marc Horowitz YES!!!!17 hours ago#Stanya Kahnjust watched the crit footage. i agree with hainely’s line of questioning: who cares about majority rule. we know the voting system in this country is a sham, we know that “majority” opinion is constructed by mass communication systems (TV,… radio, the churchm hence the reference to fascism). so what kinds of wrenches could you throw into your project to address the issues of agency and power that are inherent in voting and majority rule situations? these were my questions from the outset, but now that you’re doing it, i wonder if there’s a way to address it? although very few commenters on the site seemed concerned with much more than entertainment. maybe you should take the reigns in some way?
    See More
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    Karen Adelman i’m glad you reposted the link to this: i musta been getting off a plane when this discussion started. i am in full, vigorous agreement; i also was interested in this issue from the beginning….. like how people engaging with this project could begin to change their understanding of the way decisions are actually being made and what the consequences of those decisions might be..11 hours ago”

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    The Advice of Strangers

    The Advice of Strangers.

    This work, by Marc Horowitz, asks participants to answer questions posed by the artist which are billed as ‘life choices’.Unsurprisingly, this is rather misleading as one can see just by skimming through the work’s website (which is the interface for the work); the majority of the questions are quite banal and press little upon any important factors governing this artists’ life (eg the safety of the artist), which is how the work is presented. it appears as if there is little or no agenda behind the way his questions to the public are structured, as there are some which seem to have potential for critical engagement, such as  ”how should i vote on prop19?” (concerning cannabis ruling in california – where the work is being acted out). others that i feel appear at first at least to have great potential are the open ended questions, such as “what should i do?”. however, once this link is clicked, participants find they have 4 options, and must choose one to vote for, and in this case they are:

    Big Question: What Should I Do?

    • Try to find my best friend, Greg Pryor, from grade school.
    • Visit my father’s grave
    • Write, produce, cast, and direct a live play in LA
    • Attempt to meet as many of my so-called facebook friends as possible
    it is not clear whether the artist aims to create some kind of commentary by simply pulling people into his work using the voyeuristic impulse that social networking may have implanted in people, and once there deflate expectancies (of remote controlling another’s life), and have them engage in a series of banal exercises of diminutive consequence.
    in any case, whether the artist intends it or not there is a rather loud political backdrop to this work, as it is funded and presented by Creative Time, who here could in the worst case be criticized for presenting a fairly weak big-brother/real world narrative as artwork or at best be lauded for popularizing (perhaps this is demystifying?) the activity of contemporary artists.

    Machine Project

    Machine Project are an LA based collective (and non-profit .org) that ‘explore’ environments by using art, science and technology.
    Their recent work at LACMA (curiosuly NOT archived at the LACMA website , but is available at theMachine Project web-shop.

    Machine Project's LACMA Field Guide

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    Get to their main website by using this link >>Machine Project.

    -The September 2010 issue of Art Review, there was an article about their LACMA work:

    -Also, there are uploads added by site members, such as this video:


    -And Another:

    Rhizome | No Fun

    Rhizome | No Fun.

    by Eva and Franco Mattes aka 0100101110101101.org

    No Fun by Eva and Franco Mattes (image from rhizome.org)
    No Fun
    Description
    In “No Fun” Franco Mattes simulated his suicide in a public webcam-based chat room. Thousands of random people watched while he was hanging from the ceiling, swinging slowly, for hours. The video documentation of the performance is an unbelievable, at times very disturbing, sequence of reactions: some laugh, some are completely unmoved, some insult the supposed corpse, some take pictures with their mobiles. Notably, out of several thousand people, only one called the police.”

    http://rhizome.org/object.php?50305

    In particular, this text is highly relevant:

    “In the last decade they have been obsessively devoted to what they define “media actionism”, creating unpredictable mass-scale performances staged outside art-spaces, involving an unaware audience, where truth and falsehood mix to the point of being indistinguishable.

    Among other wonderfully twisted things, they’ve erected fake architectural heritage signs, run media campaigns for non-existent action movies, and even convinced the entire populace of Vienna that Nike had purchased the city’s historic Karlsplatz and was about to rename it “Nikeplatz.”"

    http://rhizome.org/object.php?50305

    THE Q&A: NATALIE JEREMIJENKO, THINGKER | More Intelligent Life

    Below is a quote lifted from an interview with artist Natalie Jeremijenko, where she directly approaches the notion of external education (away from the institution)

    More Intelligent Life: You’ve managed to mesh the fields of science and art into a career. When did that combination first present itself to you?

    Natalie Jeremijenko: I was a math kid. Formally, I did my studies in the sciences, but I was very conscious that I was being deprived of culture. While studying neuroscience I was running a rock-music festival and was able to use that as a platform to explore what it takes to produce art for 20,000 inebriated 20-somethings. I created a successful outdoor youth festival—the Liverd festival—against all good advice. It was a great way to explore and investigate social sculptures. Having that as my kind of studio, outside of a museum or precious white-cube gallery, that was a kind of education.

    via THE Q&A: NATALIE JEREMIJENKO, THINGKER | More Intelligent Life.